Church Offenses, Illegal immigration facts

Christians & illegal aliens/comments from concerned informed folks.

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Churches have become a reflection of our corrupt
governments, organizations, & corporations.  The bottom-line is all
that matters.  To hell with struggling taxpaying citizens, as well as
morals, ethics, sovereignty, our standard of living, our rule of law, the
Constitution and our Founding principles and stock.

Many have become nothing more than an extension of
government school indoctrination into various forms of Collectivism,
self-destruction, and slavery.  Citizens who are forced to pay for illegal
aliens are slaves and the exploited aliens are slaves as well.   

 

The enemies within are far more dangerous than concocted or
real foreign ones.

 

As always, follow the money and constantly question….who
benefits??

 

 

Jean Allen replied:

        You are so
right.  I’d like to take my grandson to a Southern church with a pastor
I can respect.  However, it’s hard to sit in the pews and listen to the
Christian-Zionist heresy presented as if it were the word of God.
          I am fortunate to have
located a website called <whtt.org> where
the roots of Christian Zionism are exposed.  This has helped me
tremendously.
           The preachers are
beginning to “mention” the Constitution and our Founding Fathers; but
then they conclude with the Zionist propaganda that the most serious threat
comes from Islam, rather than our own government (an extension of political
Israel). There is no way that these preachers and their congregations will get
off the pews and fight for freedom until
they stop doing Israel’s bidding and fight our own corrupt government.
            It’s
frustrating and it’s tragic.  Christians don’t want to get into the
divisive Zionist debate;  But, until we admit that Washington, D.C. is an
extension of political Israel in the form of AIPAC, ADL, UCLU, etc……we
can’t fight for our survival.
            Zionist
Christians are being used by political Israel to turn America into an
anti-Christian nation.  Until we can convince the Christians that the
United States of Israel is
more a threat to our freedoms than Islam, we will continue to aid our own
destruction.
            
Christianity has become meaningless,  We should call ourselves followers
of Christ to distinquish ourselves from them.

             Jean
Allen
            
Tuscaloosa

 

Margi replied:

 

IMHO, the problem with most churches is that they
incorporate under

501(c)3 and thus become a creature of the state and transfer
their

allegiance from Christ to government.   They then have to preach as the

government commands and not address subjects that the
government does not want exposed.

Margi

EVANGELICALS: Your Leaders
Endorsed Mass Amnesty Today

 

By Roy Beck, Updated Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:41
PM EDT

Leaders
of most of the nation’s evangelical Christians made a shocking endorsement of
illegal-alien amnesty today in Senate testimony.

Their
spokesman — the head of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) — said
high immigration is increasing membership in evangelical churches and is good
for the economy.

Polls
have shown that evangelical Christians in the pews are the MOST likely to
OPPOSE amnesty. If you are one of them, you may want to contact your church
leaders immediately. 

The
NAE phone number is:  202-789-1011 —   Fax number is
202-842-0392

The
NAE email address is:  executivedirector@nae.net  
and  govaffairs@nae.net

Please
be respectful and thoughtful in your comments to the NAE. I would suggest that
only evangelical Christians make the contacts.

NATIONAL EVANGELICALS PRESIDENT SAYS PRO-AMNESTY SUPPORT WAS
UNANIMOUS

Rev.
Leith Anderson, president of the NAE, was invited by Sen. Shumer (D-N.Y.) to
testify in favor of the Senate immigration chairman’s push to create amnesty
legislation this fall. 

Sen.
Shumer asked Rev. Anderson if many of his colleagues agree with his support for
legalizing 12-20 million illegal aliens and increasing the legal immigration
far higher than the 1 million a year current level (the two key components of
“comprehensive immigration reform”).

Rev.
Anderson answered that there was no dissent in adopting the pro-amnesty
resolution on the 75-member NAE board of directors.

ZERO
dissent!

SOME OF THE DENOMINATIONS & ORGANIZATIONS BEHIND THE AMNESTY
PUSH

Rev.
Anderson described the NAE as:

. . . a network of 40 denominations comprising more than 45,000
local churches located in every congressional district and every state. The NAE
membership also includes evangelical universities, seminaries, ministries,
local congregations, and individuals.

Here
is the list of the denominational members:  http://www.nae.net/membership/current-members

Notable
among the members are:

If you have a connection with any of these denominations,
you may want to contact them and ask if they really want to side with the
U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Council of La Raza in
flooding the country with millions more legal foreign workers while 15
million Americans are looking for a job but can’t find one.

There
is a good chance that even the leaders in your national church agencies are not
really aware that their representative voted for a massive amnesty and increase
in foreign worker importation.  

Rev.
Anderson is Senior Pastor of Wooddale Church in Eden Prairie,
Minn.  It describes itself as non-denominational with some Baptist
connections.  http://www.wooddale.org/default/index.cfm 

EVANGELICAL OFFICIALS REFUSED TO EVEN HEAR MORAL ARGUMENTS FOR
REDUCED IMMIGRATION

I
would note that NumbersUSA and others have made requests to NAE for several
years to present our moral arguments for less overall immigration to protect
the stewardship of the nation’s natural resources and to protect the
nation’s most vulnerable citizens.  The NAE has resolutely refused to hear
any voice but pro-amnesty voices, as far as we have been able to tell.

When
you read Rev. Anderson’s prepared testimony, you find much that is thoughtful,
including:

Evangelicals do not condone law breaking. . . . Evangelicals
believe that government is a gift of God for the common good. Borders are
necessary for public order. We support intelligent enforcement of our nation’s
immigration laws as long as the enforcement measures are consistent with
respect for human dignity, family values and sanctity of human life.

—
Evangelicals President

But
then Rev. Anderson told Sen. Shumer that the Gospel requires that Christians be
willing to forgive illegal aliens for breaking immigration laws which means
that:

We believe that undocumented immigrants who have otherwise been
law abiding members of our communities should be offered the opportunity to pay
any taxes or penalties owed, and over time earn the right to become U.S.
citizens and permanent  residents. The process of redemption and
restitution is core to Christian beliefs, as we were all once lost and redeemed
through love of Jesus Christ.

—
Evangelicals President

Furthermore,
the 75 national evangelical leaders agreed that immigration laws that have
allowed legal immigration to soar from a traditional average of 250,000 a year
to more than 1,000,000 a year are too strict and must be changed to allow many
more foreign workers to enter.

FAULTY THINKING, FAULTY PROCESS, FAULTY ANALYSIS, FAULTY
THEOLOGY 

The
staff at NumbersUSA are members of the Evangelical, Catholic, Jewish, Mainline
Protestant, Liberal Protestant and no religious faith. We all believe in ethical
systems that say it is wrong to run an immigration policy that
hammers down the weakest, poorest and unemployed members of our society while
making it impossible to achieve environmental sustainability. It grieves our
hearts to see evangelical leaders join national Jewish, Catholic, mainline
Protestant and liberal Protestant leaders who have already fully endorsed
amnesty and massive increases in foreign workers and U.S. population growth.

We have no doubt that all these national religious leaders
have failed in their duties of fact-gathering and thoughtful analysis. They
bring discredit on their religious faiths from their sloppiness in truth
seeking and their lack of intellectual integrity. 

We
call on all NumbersUSA members of faith to point us to leaders in their
own religious traditions who are open to discussing the full ethical issues
involved in immigration.

The
NAE’s call for forgiveness seems to ignore the Gospel context of “go and
sin no more.”

We
do not call for a policy that locks up and throws away the key on foreign
citizens who have broken our immigration laws.  Most of us are willing to
let most illegal aliens return to their home countries under no penalty
whatsoever.

But
the NAE has proclaimed that our forgiveness of illegal aliens should allow them
to keep the very things they broke the law to steal:  U.S. jobs and access
to U.S. infrastructure.

How many billions of people in the world would like to line up
for that kind of forgiveness?

We
have pled with the NAE leaders (as we have with leaders of all other faith
traditions) to talk to them about how mercy shown by governments can easily
create injustice against a society’s weakest members.  In general the
Judeo-Christian scriptures call on individuals to show mercy but governments to
provide justice.

When
the government shows mercy, it allows people to break the rules.  But if
breaking the rules harms law-abiding members of society, that mercy creates an
injustice against them. 

I
am especially devastated by the national evangelical leaders’ callous disregard
for the U-6 unemployment rate of nearly 20% — job-seekers (active and recently
discouraged) who cannot find any job or who have been forced into involuntary
part-time work.

It
is incredible to read Rev. Anderson’s testimony talking about the
failure in having enough immigration visas to fill the needs of the U.S.
business community! 

I am embarrassed for him and his 74 colleagues.  I am sure
they do not mean such inhumane treatment of their fellow Americans. And I am
sure they dug themselves into this shameful hole with the most well-intentioned
of shovels.

I
suggest that the readers of this blog consider forgiveness toward these
religious leaders while thoughtfully guiding them to see all the shades and
complexities of the immigration issue to which they weren’t exposed by the NAE
staff and the open-borders lobby which led them to this pro-amnesty
position.  

 

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